meetings/irc: opensync-20081203.log

[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:00:02] Topic       dgollub sets the channel topic to "OpenSync Project Meeting | please no support question or bug reports".
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:00:20] <dgollub>   Let's start - it's 19:00Z isn' it?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:00:27] <dgollub>   Who's present?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:00:29] <dgollub>   dgollub: present
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:00:45]      * bellmich Present.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:01:14] <dgollub>   nobody else? ;) cool .. then this goes really quick...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:01:28] <dgollub>   1. Action Items from previous Meetings
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:01:33] <dgollub>    - AI dgollub: find OpenSync-Doxygen Maintainer
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:02:09] <dgollub>   iirc Paul was interested in this
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:02:40] <Tuju>      present
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:02:43] <dgollub>   "I'm not sure how styling is done in doxygen but could have a look at it if
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:02:44] <dgollub>   nobody else is doing so already."
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:03:27] <dgollub>   oh wait.. this was just regarding volunteers to increase Doxygen coverage ... and fixing the sytle of doxygen
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:03:47] <dgollub>   but i'll ask him again if he would take care about doxygen stuff - this would be awesome...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:04:01] <dgollub>   - AI bricks: move API documentation to headers
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:04:21] <dgollub>   anyone knows about the status of this?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:05:02] <dgollub>   i guess this is still in progress...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:05:30] <dgollub>   this is a very trivial thinks - please help bricks in this by moving this to the header.. and send patches to opensync-devel
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:05:40] <Tuju>      dgollub: i try to look into it
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:05:50] <Tuju>      but i cannot promise anything :-/
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:06:01] <bellmich>  I'm not sure if this is the right way for libsyncml.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:06:02] <dgollub>   you don't have to do the entire thing .. just do component by component
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:06:13] <dgollub>   i don't care about coude outside of ./trunk/opensync/
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:06:22] <bellmich>  Nice to know.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:07:20] <dgollub>   first things first ;)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:07:59] <dgollub>   and it doesn't make much sense to block 0.40 on lacking doxygen coverage in the file-sync plugin
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:08:01] <bellmich>  No, simply please don't touch it at libsyncml.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:08:09]      * Tuju goes to get a beer
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:08:43] <dgollub>   bellmich: do you have a partiicalur reason for this?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:10:05] <bellmich>  Armin designed some files very carefully. This means that private API stuff is at top of the source code files and public stuff is at the bottom.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:10:22] <bellmich>  The public and private part is cleanly flagged.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:10:47] <dgollub>   but this is offtopic right now - we're talking about doxygen docuemntation of API
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:11:42] <dgollub>   .. and actually this is right now a subject for OpenSync - not for libsyncml. I guess documentation in OpenSync is in poorer shape then libsyncml
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:11:55] <dgollub>   - AI bricks: porting frontend/consumer API examples to 0.40 API http://www.opensync.org/wiki/docs/0.2x/Examples
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:12:05] <bellmich>  Good for me ... means less work ;)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:12:42] <dgollub>   i don't know the status about this AI either .. didn't managed to follow the trac timeline recently. have to check back  with bricks
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:13:02] <dgollub>     - AI dgollub: introduce example plugin init check (for missing symbols if
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:13:03] <dgollub>         loading with errors) in default build target with "osyncplugin"-tool
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:10] <dgollub>    AI dgollub: introduce simple & advanced plugin example
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:11] <dgollub>                     (simple example: without hashtable, ...)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:23] <dgollub>   i didn't managed to touch any of those
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:32] <dgollub>   i'm sorry about that...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:36] <dgollub>   - AI Tuju: make the Whitepaper visible for everyone
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:48] <dgollub>   Tuju: there was a confusion about this - right?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:51] <Tuju>      yeah, that was something i didn't/know remember
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:52] <Tuju>      yes
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:14:57] <dgollub>   kk
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:15:15] <dgollub>   we have a whitepaper section .. we can postpone this
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:15:27] <dgollub>   - AI dgollub: determine the amount of traffic of current opensync.org
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:16:20] <dgollub>   i contacted the IT dep. ... it's not trivial think for them to get this info.. so i just measure few more days the traffic on the system it self...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:16:38] <dgollub>   but i doubt that the traffic is limit exceeding... or something like that
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:16:46] <dgollub>   next topic
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:16:48] <dgollub>   2. API Documentation
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:16:57] <dgollub>   - volunteers to increase the quality of the Doxygen coverage?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:17:11] <Tuju>      hey, i did that http://opensync.org/wiki/questionGuide
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:17:12] <dgollub>   Paul replied to this
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:17:56] <dgollub>   Tuju: let's link this to the irc topic later (if this wasn't arleady the case)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:18:35] <dgollub>   AI dgollub: give  paul SVN write access to help improvining the doxygen coverage
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:18:56] <dgollub>   - volunteers to write API description
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:20:18] <dgollub>   unfortunatley no progress either
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:20:35] <Tuju>      i'm afraid that has to be someone how *knows* the api :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:20:47] <dgollub>   ah - ok .. thats the reason
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:20:57] <dgollub>   then i didn't explained last time whats the purpose...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:20:58] <ianmartin> my problem too
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:21:43] <dgollub>   Ok, what about preparing the doxygen templates and the parameter lists?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:22:09] <dgollub>   Without failing any description...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:22:13] <dgollub>   -failing +filling
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:22:47] <Tuju>      dgollub: i take a look that doxygen stuff once i get those wiki + other stuff done, but i'm pretty sure that it wont be next week.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:23:13] <dgollub>   Tuju: forget the wiki stuff... in my opionen the wiki stuff gets way to much priority
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:23:17] <Tuju>      and i've no idea about how productive i'll be since never used doxygen before.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:23:40] <Tuju>      i'm more worried that we need more, all kind of people :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:23:56] <dgollub>   i don't share this opionen compeltely...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:24:57] <Tuju>      i agree but i'm not going to stop it when i already make a mess out of it.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:25:01] <dgollub>   it's not OpenSync prime-time today... we need to get things stable and usable for developers.. i see no need to get as many as users as possible today
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:25:24] <dgollub>   Tuju: there is a topic about "Project Identiy" later...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:25:37] <dgollub>   .. i planned to use this to discuss abotu stuff like that
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:25:58] <dgollub>    http://www.opensync.org/browser/trunk/opensync/format/opensync_time.h
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:26:18] <dgollub>   this is a pretty good example of Doxygen documentation
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:26:46] <dgollub>   it basically consists about @breif @param and @returns and the different @groups for private and public API
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:27:26] <dgollub>   it would be save for me _lots_ of time if some of you could already just filll    @param $parametername *NODESCIRPTION*   and @returns *NODESRIPTON .. and just tag @brief with TODO
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:27:44] <dgollub>   so i can very quickly  go through _all_ TODO items and describe the stuff...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:28:01] <dgollub>   ... i would break my fingers if i would need to do write _anything_
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:28:44] <dgollub>   just to make since clear - without full public API documentaiton - no 0.40
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:28:48] <dgollub>   -since +thinks
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:28:58] Notify      arty went offline (irc.freenode.org).
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:29:00] <Tuju>      yes but i've seen people trying to port some plugins and they don't know what those functions do.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:29:27] <dgollub>   yes - don't you think proper API description would solve this issue?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:29:31] <Tuju>      so it's going to be a one know has been maintaining a plugin quite some time and already is familar with api.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:29:50] <Tuju>      but you cannot pass information you don't have/posess :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:30:19] <dgollub>   Tuju: again - i didn't said that you have to write the descriptions .. just put those doxygen syntax in place
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:30:37] <Tuju>      dgollub: ack, well that's easier.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:31:19] <Tuju>      next item.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:31:41] <dgollub>   wait
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:31:58] <dgollub>   could anyone take such an AI?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:32:13] <Tuju>      i already said i will look into it, in time.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:32:15] <dgollub>   i fear otherwise things will not change...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:32:29] <Tuju>      bricks is also.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:33:02] <dgollub>   ok - next item
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:33:22] <dgollub>   3. Whitepaper - feedback/request for Whitepaper
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:33:43] <dgollub>   i just want to repeat that i need to know what needs to get in the whitepaper
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:33:43] Notify      <a href="#prahal">prahal is online (irc.freenode.org).</a>
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:34:04] <dgollub>   please drop me a mail if you're missing important stuff in the whitepaper
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:34:30] <ianmartin> will do
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:34:44] <dgollub>   afaik i didn't get any request to chance anything on that paper...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:35:18] <dgollub>   regarding the confusing-AI from last meeting ... "how to make developers aware of this Whitepaper"
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:35:43] <dgollub>   Tuju: could you link this whitepaper in some developer section in the wiki - it should be the very first documentat developer should read
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:35:50] <dgollub>   before they dive into the API
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:35:54] <Tuju>      ah, now i remember.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:35:58] <Tuju>      the developer corner
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:36:02] <Tuju>      yep, my mistake.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:36:06] <Tuju>      will do asap.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:36:22] <Tuju>      but that's part of the web structure too.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:36:24] <dgollub>   and add the hint about that feedback/request are more then welcome
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:36:44] <dgollub>   anyone comment left comments to - 3. Whitepaper?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:37:05] <dgollub>   oh dear .. i run out of coffee
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:37:18] <dgollub>   sorry for my bad english...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:37:27] <dgollub>   next item?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:08] <dgollub>   nobody complains...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:09] <dgollub>   4. Automated packaging from trunk
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:10] <Tuju>      yes
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:15] <dgollub>    - (postponed from last week)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:25] <Tuju>      currently i don't have time for it
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:37] <Tuju>      drop it from the list, i'll do it once i've time.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:42] <dgollub>   neither do i .. not quite sure if  this has high priority at all...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:38:43] <Tuju>      and will talk with azeem about it.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:39:11] <dgollub>   btw. you might look into openSUSE buildservice ... look at the barry project - the build their stuff for _everything_ - do they even build opensync?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:39:42] <Tuju>      well, i think it's easier to do in every distro's own way.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:39:51] <dgollub>   i guess you can even add a _upstreamSoure - so stuff get build as soon there is a SCM change
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:39:51] <Tuju>      there is svn + other stuff involved.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:40:23] <dgollub>   you know OSBS is building inside native build enviornment?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:41:20] <dgollub>   you just have to put some more conditional in spec fiels for rpms .. and i guess the debian stuff is in ubuntu and debian nearly the same anyway - or even already same control files  with conditionals.... just a note
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:41:24] <dgollub>   next topic
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:41:29] <dgollub>   5. What's OpenSync
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:41:34] <dgollub>   - get the right PI - "Project Identity"
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:41:39] <dgollub>   - OpenSync only for the Desktop?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:42:10] <dgollub>   i had various discussion in the past with various people having intersted in OpenSync
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:42:15] <Tuju>      yes, until 0.40.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:42:45] <dgollub>   they get pretty confused for some stuff...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:43:25] <dgollub>   especially when it comes to make opensync feature rich by implementing HAL support or stuff
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:43:53] <dgollub>   i talked to some company recently which evaluting OpenSync right now - their very first question was:
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:44:16] <dgollub>   "Is OpenSync only desktop synchronization" - the wiki very confused them...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:45:05] <dgollub>   even if we have today _only_ application basing on OpenSync which are intended for the desktop only
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:45:24] <Tuju>      when was that?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:45:25] <dgollub>   the OpenSync framework is not only about desktop synchronization ...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:45:31] <dgollub>   yesterday/today
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:45:37] <Tuju>      i re-wrote the main page few weeks ago.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:46:19] <dgollub>   please make sure that the idea of OpenSync is not only about "Desktop" or Mobile synchronization...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:46:35] <Tuju>      well, it says it on the front page, at first line.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:46:52] <Tuju>      "OpenSync project is an ongoing effort to create a synchronization framework that will be platform independent, general purpose synchronization engine "
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:46:55] <dgollub>   i saw that we have stuff in place  like "not only PIM" - thats perfect! .. but maybe we should also add stuff like it's not only about "Desktop" )
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:47:04] <Tuju>      "Even being a general purpose framework that keeps the doors open for many use cases,"
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:47:26] <Tuju>      actually there is no word 'Desktop' anywhere.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:48:03] <dgollub>   ok - but for some reason they still get impression it's only about Desktop .. maybe because we don't have any other application beside desktop frontends
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:48:18] <dgollub>   no "Server" application... but at least they managed to get the idea of OpenSYnc and contacted me...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:48:37] <Tuju>      well, yes. but they're welcome to step in into development to make apache module or whatever someone needs :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:49:04] <Tuju>      perhaps we should make a 'press pack'
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:49:05] <dgollub>   i wanted to just keep you informend about this .. and we should try to avoid that we do only Desktop-stuff ... opensync is very abstract - i plan to see it more abstract even after 0.40
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:49:23] <Tuju>      you know that basic info what at the end of every press release.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:50:00] <dgollub>   Tuju: good idea ... or demoing stuff of various usescases... i'll my slides for the company demo and make them public on the weekend ...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:50:00] <Tuju>      http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-beta1.php see the end of page
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:50:08] <dgollub>   +make
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:50:08] <Tuju>      Press Contacts
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:50:16] <Tuju>      About KDE
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:51:20] <Tuju>      but yes, i've been dreaming about mod_opensync for apache too, but i keep dreaming it after 0.40.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:51:24] <dgollub>   i like the idea of a "press pack" - since this would give a brief summary... which is misleading like a exploading wiki ;)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:51:53] <Tuju>      yep, we can't help if the content is misunderstood.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:11] <Tuju>      only send dgollub to do disaster recovery or whatever....
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:21] <Tuju>      next item?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:25] <dgollub>   yep
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:29] <dgollub>   6. Infrastructure Status
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:33] <dgollub>   - SVN Repository restored and shifted commit revisions
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:39] <dgollub>   i screwed up the SVN  restore
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:52:59] <dgollub>   never ever do "svn dump $oldrepo | svn load $newrepo" ...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:53:00] <Tuju>      well, you didn't lot of otherstuff so i guess that's allowed :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:53:37] <dgollub>   we shifted back in the SVN revision .. i have no idea how this could happend - i followed the maintaince instruction from the SVN book/guide
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:54:03] <dgollub>   -> how does effect this _you_?!
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:54:35] <dgollub>   if  you wrote a changelog entry or ticket/comment and mentioned a SVN revision - very likekly today it's pointing to the wrong commit - thats SUPER bad
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:54:37] <Tuju>      can we fix it later?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:54:41] <dgollub>   yes
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:54:56] <dgollub>   i plan to do this on the weekend since i guess this would take at least an entire day
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:55:00] <Tuju>      shall we make a note to the front page and do it later?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:55:39] <Tuju>      well, we do have backups and all changes after that - should be doable but might need some woodoo.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:55:43] <dgollub>   nope .. when i succeed then we have "only" a "gap" of one week...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:56:00] <Tuju>      mind the gap!
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:56:23] <dgollub>   by "gap" i mean ... where we reference again to wrong SVN revisions - but i guess one week is possible to correct manually - compared to fix 3 years
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:56:48] Notify      mpdehaan went offline (irc.freenode.org).
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:56:54] <dgollub>   so we would just check the /timeline what happend during this week and correct all revisions - that's it...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:57:11] <dgollub>   what you can do until the weekend - avoid  mentioning revision numbers in commit-logs or trac tickets
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:57:33] <Tuju>      sure, that's not a problem :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:57:43] <dgollub>   i plan to do again a "import" of the backup from the old server .. and try to find the reason why the revision got shifted-back
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:58:09] <dgollub>   i hope only missed to apply some unobvious parameter or something like that - or maybe it's just a bug in the new SVN version
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:58:36] <dgollub>   once this is done i imported the changes since from this week on top of the fixed-imported SVN repo
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:58:50] <bellmich>  dgollub: Did you get an answer from Armin regarding the libsyncml project on sf.net?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:58:52] <dgollub>   ... if this doesn't work out. we "just" loose revision hints
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:58:58] <dgollub>   bellmich: nope
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:59:03]      * bellmich Has to leave in 5 minutes ...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:59:15] <dgollub>   bellmich: i'll mail him again...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:59:25] <dgollub>   - any issues left since outage?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:59:32] <bellmich>  I want to switch to FRS from sf.net even for libsyncml.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [21:59:44] <dgollub>   FRS?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:00:00] <bellmich>  File Release System - Download.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:00:15] <dgollub>   kk
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:00:27] <dgollub>   bellmich: you can also ping the SF admins
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:00:40] <dgollub>   bellmich: (ok this would take 2 weeks or so)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:01:01] <bellmich>  I will contact the project admins tomorrow.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:01:14] <dgollub>   7. IRC Meetings - who will write next minutes? who will be backup?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:01:15] <bellmich>  After one week delay I will ask the SF admins.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:01:37] <bellmich>  FYI libwbxml is already prepared to switch to FRS.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:02:10] <dgollub>   Next IRC meeting: Thursday 20081211T09:00:00Z
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:02:33] <dgollub>   i wonder if moving to Wedensday was a good idea...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:03] <Tuju>      dgollub: well, businesshours is *not* a good idea.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:04] <bellmich>  No, it was definitely not a good idea.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:04] <dgollub>   I guess most missed the fact that we decided to move the meeting to Wedensday
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:26] <Tuju>      yes, i did it
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:33] <dgollub>   bellmich: alternative suggestion?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:47] <Tuju>      i downloaded the ics file first time and got it into calendar automatically.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:49] <dgollub>   At least in europe we should be out of buissnesshours...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:52] <bellmich>  The Thursday meetings are better.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:03:53] <Tuju>      we need to update that one.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:05] <dgollub>   Tuju: afaik the .ical is gone
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:11] <Tuju>      i don't mind the day, just no business hours.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:23] <bellmich>  If we are out of business hours then this is a problem for me.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:24] <Tuju>      nobody is working for this project so no business hours.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:24] <dgollub>   bellmich: we have bi-weekly thursday/wedensday
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:40] Notify      <a href="#mpdehaan">mpdehaan is online (irc.freenode.org).</a>
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:42] <Tuju>      well, i guess i was not quite right :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:04:51] <dgollub>   bellmich: but it's a problem for other if it's in buisness-hours, so it's fair to have one in and one out of buissness hours ;)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:05:00] Notify      prahal went offline (irc.freenode.org).
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:05:11] <Tuju>      and lets not change it radically away from evening based on one time.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:05:24] <Tuju>      lot of people said that evening suits them better.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:05:43] <bellmich>  No problem. Mainly I focus on libsyncml and libwbxml which are quite isolated.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:05:51] <dgollub>   iirc. bricks and bellmich both prefer to attend during working-time .. doon't you?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:07:10]      * bellmich Have to leave ...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:07:18] <dgollub>   next minutes-taker?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:07:26] <dgollub>   Tuju: do you attend next week?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:07:33] <Tuju>      i will
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:07:45] <dgollub>   ok - next time you do the minutes! you MUST! ;)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:07:58] <Tuju>      ok :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:08:07] <dgollub>   volunteers for backup?  for  20081211T09:00:00Z
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:08:07] <Tuju>      i do them at weekend, okay?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:08:25] <dgollub>   Tuju: i can write the minutes - you do moderation
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:08:38] <Tuju>      okay.
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:08:40] <dgollub>   Tuju: just send me the logs ... could you send me the logs of this time as well?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:08:45] <Tuju>      okay
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:09:39] <dgollub>   koller: do you have already some idea whats going wrong with dlopen? i fear just unloading the "unneeded" plugins is not enough...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:09:57] <dgollub>   koller: imagine you want to sync kdepim and syncml at the  same time (high request combination anyway) ... there will be symbols-clashing...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:10:27] Notify      <a href="#prahal">prahal is online (irc.freenode.org).</a>
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:10:41] <dgollub>   iirc we used to fixed similiar issue with libical symbol-clashing by running kdepim-sync and evo2-sync in seperated process ... by changing the plugin start type to _PROCESS
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:10:54] <dgollub>   whats the current start type of kdepim-sync? the default (thread) or process?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:13:02] <Tuju>      is meeting over?
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:13:23] <dgollub>   oh yes ...
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:13:27] <dgollub>   meeting closed
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:13:37] <Tuju>      okay, thanks :)
[Wed Dec 3 2008] [22:13:50] Topic       dgollub sets the channel topic to "http://opensync.org/ 0.38 | http://libsyncml.opensync.org/ 0.5.0 | http://libwbxml.opensync.org/ 0.9.2 | http://www.bluez.org/openobex/ 1.4 | http://opensync.org/wiki/FAQ | http://pastebin.com".