meetings/irc: opensync-20081127.log

[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:09:59] Topic      dgollub sets the channel topic to "OpenSync IRC Meeting | No support questions please, no bugfixing | yes, opensync.org is down".
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:10:11] <dgollub>  who is present?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:10:14] <dgollub>  present.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:10:15] <bricks>   me
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:10:32] <apotter>  I'm just here to listen
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:10:47] <dgollub>  apotter: cool - thanks for joining ;)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:11:09] <dgollub>  Just a side note - opensync.org died last night
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:11:25] <dgollub>  backups are available - but either the chipset or the harddisk are not reliable working anylonger
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:11:42] <dgollub>  i talked to the IT dep. they will give us a complete new platform
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:11:55] <dgollub>  but the system will not be available for 13:00 UTC today
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:11] <dgollub>  ok - lets keep going with the regular meeting
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:14] <dgollub>  1. Action Items from previous Meetings
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:20] <dgollub>   - AI dgollub: shrink API that plugins and msynctool builds/works.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:20] <dgollub>                    Interfaces still can be added afterwards
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:20] <dgollub>   - AI tuju: make ask-a-question-with-info-page
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:20] <dgollub>   - AI dgollub: show-repo-content-in-wiki install trac extension to show
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:20] <dgollub>                 libsyncml Mobile READMEs in libsyncml wiki
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:12:23] <dgollub>                 http://libsyncml.opensync.org/wiki/SandBox
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:13:19] <dgollub>  i completed both of my AIs - i did a complete review of the entire API - if you're missing symbols, please write a mail to opensync-devel or create a ticket and assign it to me
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:14:13] <dgollub>  the #2 AI is about a trac plugin - which got installed and is avilable as example in the wiki sandbox of libsyncnml
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:14:42] <bricks>   which is really nice bye the way ;)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:14:55] <dgollub>  Tuju: do you want to comment on #2 AI?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:15:41] <dgollub>  ok - lets continue
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:15:44] <dgollub>  2. API Documentation
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:15:54] <dgollub>   - priority of API Documentation
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:16:16] <dgollub>  i want to discuss briefly or define the priortiz of the API documentation
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:16:25] <dgollub>  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.opensync.devel/3192
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:16:46] <dgollub>  there was a discussion yesterday on opensync-devel - which really states clear that the lack of API documentation...
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:17:02] <dgollub>  ... is blocking new developers to get up to speed with development.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:17:25] <dgollub>  i would like to ask to bump the priority of API documentation
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:17:55] <dgollub>  for time being - i would even suggest to give the API documentation thing an higher priority then plugin-development or bug-fixing
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:18:08] <bricks>   don't know if we should bump it yet or after 0.39
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:18:11] <dgollub>  since without proper API documentation we can't get new developers which help fixing/porting plugins
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:19:03] <Tuju>     back
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:19:12] <dgollub>  bricks: not quite sure if we reach 0.39 at all without bumping the API thing... so i would suggest to raise this prio. from now on
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:19:37] <dgollub>  thoughts? objections?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:19:47] <Tuju>     dgollub: i can take that if nobody else volunteers/wants.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:20:09] <bricks>   i don't know if it's a real problem. your whitepaper draft really helped my to develop tomboy plugin
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:20:12] <dgollub>  Tuju: what? i lost the context what you're refering to
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:20:28] <Tuju>     mee too, i've screen full of characters. :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:20:56] <Tuju>     btw, that seek error is broken disk.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:21:03] <dgollub>  bricks: there are also  other relevant facts - i'm demoing opensync to a company which might be interested in using opensync in their product ... this would be another reason to bump the API thing
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:21:53] <dgollub>  without having proper API documentatin i guess we keep stucking
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:21:58] <bricks>   dgollub: ok then let's finish/complette the docu
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:19] <dgollub>  so we agree on pushing the API thing for this and upcoming week?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:27] <dgollub>   - volunteers to increase the quality of the Doxygen coverage?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:27] <dgollub>     (This is about putting Doxygen syntax in place not about describing
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:27] <dgollub>      interfaces. Very trivial task)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:31] <Tuju>     yes, let's try to do it.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:45] <bricks>   i'll take responisble to move the doxygen stuff  to the headers
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:22:52] <Tuju>     but i've to push more evening activity, business hours are not that good.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:23:05] <dgollub>  AI bricks: move the doxygen stuff  to the headers
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:23:12] <bricks>   ack
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:23:41] <dgollub>   - OpenSync-Doxygen maintainer?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:23:42] <dgollub>     * Main responsibility: ping developers to write Doxygen API for public
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:23:42] <dgollub>                            interfaces!
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:23:42] <dgollub>     * Taking care about doxygen-style and layout
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:24:14] <dgollub>  someone interested in looking more closley in doxygen? and fixing our doxygen config and stylesheet?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:25:11] <dgollub>  AI dgollub: find Doxygen Maintainer
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:25:16] <dgollub>   - volunteers to write API description
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:25:53] <dgollub>  maybe we postpone this .. since today are not many people present - i hoped to assign certain components to various people
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:26:14] <Tuju>     that has to be added into /hackers page the maintainer that questions go to right address.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:26:34] <Tuju>     yep, could be a good idea.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:26:41] <dgollub>  AI dgollub: priorties componente in which order we should document them - starting with the most frequently used...
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:26:54] <dgollub>  next item?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:27:16] <bricks>   yes
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:27:19] <dgollub>  3. Quality of example-code
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:27:23] <dgollub>   - volunteers for rewrite/clean-up frontend example code
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:27:24] <dgollub>   - volunteers for rewrite/clean-up plugin (sync & format) example code
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:27:55] <dgollub>  bricks: do you want to take the frontend? due to the introduction  of init/fin?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:27:55] <bricks>   tried to update the plugin exmaple code some days ago
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:28:11] <bricks>   there was a ticket for this task, which i already closed
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:28:21] <dgollub>  btw. i enabeld the build of the example plugin in the default process.. so we track when we break it
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:28:41] <bricks>   dgollub: great. is -Wall enabled?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:28:43] <Tuju>     if it's up to date, i could take a look at it.... if i could understand some of it :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:29:08] <dgollub>  bricks: use CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Hacking .. this includes -Wall if you're on GCC
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:29:31] <dgollub>  bricks: once we have  GStaticMutex remove i add for GCC in buildtype Hacking als -Werror
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:29:33] <bricks>   dgollub: thanks. that was my mistake. i didn't found all deprecated parts
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:30:05] <bricks>   dgollub: what do you mean by frontend exactly?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:30:13] <bricks>   osynctool?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:30:47] <dgollub>  AI dgollub: introduce example plugin init check (for missing symbols if loading with errors) in default build target with "osyncplugin"-tool
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:31:15] <dgollub>  bricks: nope - there used to be code in wiki how to write a very tiny opensync  "consumer"/frontend
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:31:25] <dgollub>  bricks: so we don't have 700lines of code with parameter handling
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:31:41] <bricks>   dgollub: never saw this page
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:31:54] <dgollub>  bricks: and just the calls for init a "hardcoded" group - init the engine - do a blocking sync - finiliaze
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:07] <bricks>   dgollub: but if opensync.org is back i'll take responibility for that ai
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:15] <dgollub>  bricks: i'll link this patch to the minutes .. once opensync.org is up
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:24] <bricks>   dgollub: great
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:26] <dgollub>  bricks: afaik this was only valid for 0.2x
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:39] <dgollub>  bricks: the frontend one - or the format one?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:40] <bricks>   dgollub: i'll try to port it
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:52] <bricks>   the format should be up to date now
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:32:59] <dgollub>  ok - so we don't need the format one?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:33:11] <bricks>   no i don't thinks so
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:33:14] <dgollub>  kk
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:33:18] <bricks>   only the validate func is missing
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:33:27] <dgollub>  then i pickup the "sync plugin"
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:33:39] <bricks>   i already added the init and finilizie funcs
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:33:49] <dgollub>  btw. i had the idea of introduce two version of example plugins (2 version of sync and format plugin)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:34:08] <dgollub>  one very light with only the very freq. used functions.... (no hashtables, or no validation stuff in format plugin)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:34:30] <dgollub>  and one  which uses hashtable or batch-commit (sync-plugin) and one which uses validation function as well (format-plugin)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:34:34] <dgollub>  what do you think about this idea?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:34:39] <Tuju>     does that two main loop types require examples?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:34:42] <dgollub>  so we don't have a 1k line plugin?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:34:43] <bricks>   in my opinion the xslt format could be a good example too
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:35:11] <bricks>   dgollub: that would be nice. an easy short example
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:35:17] <bricks>   and a advanced one
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:35:35] <dgollub>  Tuju: there are actually 3 types ... only the "external" one. The other one is just about API documentation
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:35:49] <Tuju>     ack
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:35:52] <dgollub>  (..only the "external" one req. more advanced documetnation)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:09] <dgollub>  bricks: ack
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:24] <dgollub>  bricks: wait - do you mean xslt or xml? ;)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:40] <dgollub>  next item?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:47] <Tuju>     ok
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:49] <bricks>   next
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:49] <dgollub>  4. Whitepaper
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:49] <dgollub>   - How to get developers reading this:
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:49] <dgollub>     http://opensync.org/download/LATEST-WHITEPAPER ?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:36:50] <dgollub>   - feedback/request for Whitepaper
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:37:17] <bricks>   we should add a link in the trac start page and in the docu section
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:37:33] <dgollub>  i pushed the whitepaper on the (died) server which compiles the latex stuff on the server - so people don't have to fight with their latex installation to get this whitepaper build
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:37:50] <dgollub>  Tuju: could you talk the AI about proper linking in the wiki of this whitepaper?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:38:04] <Tuju>     talk or take?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:38:14] <dgollub>  .. aehm yeah take
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:38:19] <Tuju>     yep, sure.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:38:48] <dgollub>  AI Tuju: add a whitepaper link in the trac start page and in the docu section
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:38:49] <Tuju>     i could try to create a 'developer home' where everything is available what we have.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:38:57] <dgollub>  even better!
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:01] <dgollub>  next item?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:12] <Tuju>     ok
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:14] <bricks>   next ;)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:21] <dgollub>  5. Infrastructure - finding a new location for project infra. - avoiding low-priority infra. changes till 0.40 - find new infra. admins
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:30] <dgollub>  oh .. interesitng... acutally this should be several lines...
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:42] <Tuju>     5. Infrastructure
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:42] <Tuju>       - finding a new location for project infra.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:42] <Tuju>       - avoiding low-priority infra. changes till 0.40
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:39:42] <Tuju>       - find new infra. admins
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:05] <dgollub>  actually i wrote this topic before the system died
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:11] <Tuju>     heh
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:20] <dgollub>  maybe the server felt bad and committed suicied
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:24] <Tuju>     YOU BROKE IT BASTARD!!!
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:32] <Tuju>     :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:43] <dgollub>  anyway - we need something out side the current location
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:43] <Tuju>     cut its wrists.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:40:54] <Tuju>     did the current box have raids?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:41:05] <dgollub>  so i can give away access to the system it self... and that someone else can do administration
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:41:14] <dgollub>  Tuju: the md-raid yes
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:41:20] <Tuju>     okay.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:41:28] <Tuju>     hw raid would be better. :-/
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:41:32] <dgollub>  sure
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:41:43] <dgollub>  but i have backups - and i upgrade the platforms anyway
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:42:06] <dgollub>  so we will get a new box temporarily - until we leave the current location
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:42:33] <Tuju>     yep, i think we need to replace that disk asap.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:42:49] <Tuju>     but if that was a system disk, well - we face the OS question now.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:42:50] <dgollub>  Tuju: i replace the entire platform/system/box today
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:42:56] <Tuju>     ack
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:43:32] <Tuju>     so what OS that has?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:43:42] <dgollub>  i don't care much about the OS - i would like to see someone how maintain the entire box and has full remote access to the machine (remote power/serial console)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:00] <Tuju>     are you talking now present or future?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:11] <Tuju>     are you talking now about present or future?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:19] <dgollub>  Tuju: i guess this time for timing reason i setup sles - otherwise i would loose 1-2hours installating something by hand... in SLES i have my work autoyast profiles
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:31] <Tuju>     ack
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:31] <dgollub>  last line was present
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:38] <dgollub>  the preivous stuff was about future
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:44:53] <Tuju>     in the future i can provide the infra in finland if no better solution is provided.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:06] <dgollub>  ok - cool
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:16] <Tuju>     but how long - depends on the economy.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:30] <dgollub>  ok
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:31] <Tuju>     let's say that i can be committed for two years at least.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:37] <dgollub>  thats enough
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:48] <dgollub>  could you also do the administration of the system?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:45:58] <Tuju>     i do know the fedora camp
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:46:03] <dgollub>  running backups - maintainc eupdate and so on
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:46:07] <Tuju>     yep
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:46:11] <dgollub>  ok - fine with me
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:46:29] <dgollub>    - avoiding low-priority infra. changes till 0.40
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:46:50] <Tuju>     but that deployment would be during next year, not this one.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:46:52] <dgollub>  the last two-weeks i spent more time on admiinstration on opensync.org then actually coding
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:47:10] <dgollub>  i hope i solved most of the request administration or infra. task
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:47:11] <Tuju>     yeah, that's not the way to share our load to resources
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:47:38] <dgollub>  so for now i would like to ask everyone to only contact me about very critical infra. maintance/changes....
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:08] <Tuju>     any idea how much bandwidth that site consumes?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:17] <dgollub>  ... no new features on opensync.org - only fixes. like trac notification-mail issue of libsyncml/libwbxml
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:21] <dgollub>  Tuju: i can ask IT about this
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:22] <Tuju>     kind of should-i-let-my-isp-know?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:33] <dgollub>  Tuju: i have no clue
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:44] <Tuju>     ack, please find out that during this year.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:48:56] <Tuju>     i would rather not se increase in bw fee. :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:49:07] <Tuju>     +e
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:49:08] <dgollub>  Tuju: we share the line with the opensuse buildservice... so i guess they even don't notice that there is opensync.org taking the line
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:49:17] <Tuju>     yep
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:49:30] <dgollub>  6. Automated packaging from trunk - (postponed from last week)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:49:38] <Tuju>     well, my isp owner is OSS dude himself so he probably understands the cause.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:49:57] <dgollub>  should we post-pone #6 for next week? i guess we have already enough to do this week?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:50:01] <Tuju>     yes
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:50:12] <dgollub>  7. Frontends - (postponed from last week) - how to communicate 'missing frontend' with 0.40 release  - status of gnome-sync?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:50:15] <Tuju>     i can proceed with my hacks anyway. (and talk azeem privately)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:50:31] <Tuju>     *where* is gnome-sync?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:50:46] <Tuju>     i think there are multiple attempts to make one but nobody knows the url
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:50:54] <Tuju>     AI tuju make a 'references' page.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:51:37] <dgollub>  actually the opensync buildservice could build opensync for fedora and debian and ubutnu and and and... but cstender hesistated to get his hands dirty with maintaining this - i kick him for this .. and ask him to give fm access to the repo.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:51:50] <dgollub>  halton: around?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:52:17] <bricks>   found it http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Opensync_new_gui_design
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:52:19] <Tuju>     dgollub: let's talk that later, because that includes the svnHEAD glue to build.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:52:39] <Tuju>     f-bert once wrote one gnome-sync
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:52:48] <Tuju>     then we had multisync gui
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:53:24] <dgollub>  lets postpone this to a seperated meeting - all the frontend discussion
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:53:29] <dgollub>  9. IRC Meetings
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:53:35] <dgollub>   - schedule one of the bi-weekly meetings to Wedensday/Friday?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:53:57] <dgollub>  some people contacted me that thursday is a bad day...
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:53:58] <Tuju>     let's reschedule the time.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:54:06] <dgollub>  the time?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:54:09] <dgollub>  not the day?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:54:16] <Tuju>     out of business hours to most of the people imo would be better.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:55:03] <dgollub>  the idea was to reschedule one of the  bi-weekly meeting .. so we have on !(CW%2) -> Thursday and !!(CW%2) -> Friday/Wedensday
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:55:17] <dgollub>  but not for all
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:55:37] <dgollub>  because of TZ - shoudl we schedule one meeting  even earlier?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:55:47] <dgollub>  08:00 UTC?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:56:02] <halton>   dgollub, yes
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:56:03] <Tuju>     uuuuh, that would be 06:00 for me :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:56:14] <Tuju>     go ahead, i wont be there :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:56:15] <dgollub>  what about the weekend?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:56:40] <Tuju>     weekend would be nice...hmm. perhaps. sometimes people travel weekends.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:56:53] <Tuju>     after business hours it would be best imo.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:57:25] <Tuju>     supporting other TZs should be done after someone shows some intrested towards them.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:57:29] <bricks>   i like 10 o'clock cet ;)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:57:59] <dgollub>  i would suggestion - one on thursday at 09:00 UTC (due to TZ shift) .. and antoer on wedensday end-of-buissness-day?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:58:25] <Tuju>     yes
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:58:36] <dgollub>  19:00UTC?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:58:42] <dgollub>  Wedensday?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:58:43] <Tuju>     i guess it's okay to not attend to all meetings.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:59:02] <dgollub>  yeah - we have minutes - and it's more then appreciate to comment on the minuts on -devel
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:59:26] <Tuju>     and anyone having a AI in mind for someone can talk it before the meeting and pass the message.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [11:59:56] <dgollub>  ok - one minute left
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:00:11] <Tuju>     1900utc would be 2100 up here, okay.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:00:22] <dgollub>  next meeting: 2008-12-03T19:00:00Z
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:00:42] <dgollub>   - who will write next minutes? who will be backup
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:00:54] <dgollub>  Tuju: do you want to write miinutes next time - i do backup?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:00:55] <Tuju>     i could try to write the minutes this time 
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:00:58] <Tuju>     yep
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:02] <halton>   dgollub, what's up?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:03] <dgollub>  this time? or next time? ;)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:06] <Tuju>     i take a log snapshot.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:14] <Tuju>     tis time :)
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:14] <dgollub>  halton: 10:50 < Tuju> *where* is gnome-sync?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:21] 470        #opensc ##opensc Forwarding to another channel
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:28] <dgollub>  Tuju: kk - could you send me the log as usal?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:50] <dgollub>  anyone - remembers the original channel topic?
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:50] <Tuju>     dgollub: ack, it's full log, skim it.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:52] <dgollub>  meeting closed....
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:01:59] <halton>   Tuju & dgollub, on sourceforge, search gnome-sync-tool.
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:02:14] Topic      You set the channel topic to "http://opensync.org/ 0.38 | http://libsyncml.opensync.org/ 0.5.0 | http://libwbxml.opensync.org/ 0.9.2 | http://www.bluez.org/openobex/ 1.4 | http://opensync.org/wiki/FAQ | http://pastebin.com/".
[Thu Nov 27 2008] [12:02:51] <halton>   it is not usable for now, I plan to make it work work on libopensync 0.4x.